3 English Ale Yeasts [Side By Side Comparison!] – Brew Dudes

by CHZ



We compare three English Ale yeasts side by side in a brown ale.

This week, we get to our first Yeast comparison test. I’ve always wanted to put a beer together like this and start comparing different yeasts until I find my favorite one for that recipe.

We compare Fermentis S04, Yeast 1187, and WLP007 in an English Style Brown Ale. We both agreed on which was our favorite yeast. We were surprised that the Ringwood strain was as clean as it was despite experience with diacetyl from it usually.

This was a fun comparison for us and we definitely learned something. Our next round will put our favorite from this round up against two more English yeasts. John has requested Nottingham. We leave the third yeast to the viewers. Leave a comment about which English strain we should try next with these two!

Cheers!

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32 comments

Mark Williams October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

S04 is hardcore yeast I love it

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Iliff Avenue Brewhouse October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Not sure what your ferment temp was but I have to keep S04 below 67-68 to avoid the funkiness.

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Kevin Keehn October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Have you noticed or anyone reading this, that Safale04 has changed? This is not the same yeast it was 10 years ago. The way it behaves and flavor profile is different and in my opinion superior.

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Cory Holbrook October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

I recently was able to get my hands on a few packs of Lallamand Verdant yeast… If you guys do your usual homework you will probably find this yeast very interesting… It is very versatile as you can tell by the numbers and it kicked off very quickly for a dry yeast and gave me a hazy double IPA that turned out spectacular…

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luwn00bz October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

No offence but I feel like you could have some kind of a brief of the differences you guys came up with because I don't really care 16 minutes worth, sorry. Giving a like anyway!

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Brent Langdon October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Great video. I love doing split batches with different yeasts. I did one last year with S-04 vs WLP013. I picked up WLP013 London Ale to try something new and fell in love with it for Brown Ale, Porter, Mild style beers (I threw it at a few NEIPAs without much success). The White Labs description says "Oak ester character" but I think tobacco is more accurate. WLP002 is the most "homebrewey" yeast to me. I have been wanted to throw WLP004 Irish Ale at some different styles as well…it is such an easy yeast to work with.

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Jay Bauer October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Awesome video guys! love see the English brewing content. I did a comparison of fullers and west yorkshire last winter. I found that the fullers was better in the first week because it was a bit more fuller (no pun intended). then after a couple weeks the west yorkshire developed an amazing aroma and flavor, and what seemed like a thin beer before was now just nice, crisp and delicious. FYI West yorkshire has a krausen then does not go away. it sure if it is the correct thing to do, but I just swirl the fermenter to make it fall.

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Brett Judge October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Great vid guys … You could give Windsor a crack

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Chris H October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Nice one boys! Do you get Mangrove Jacks yeast over there? Liberty Bell M36

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Vic Thomas October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

I like your format .keep it up.
Try wlp023 i get good results.
Vic from NZ.

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Brandon Edwards October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Glad you guys liked 007 as I, too, have come to like that strain in browns!

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Shaun Vickers October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

1968 Wyeast ESB yeast all the way.

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Eddie Million October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Great video guys, it's winter down here in Aus and I've been brewing a lot of dark beers with 04 and Nottingham, love to see one with Nottingham as this seems to be my favourite. I definitely get your description of the home brew taste with 04, but I still enjoy that in dark beers. I'd also love to see you throw in WLP004 Irish Ale Yeast

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John Stage October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

I LoveLoveLove Brown Ales. I have used with good results WLP-02 and Omega OYL-03. Try it out. Way to keep those jeans high and tight.

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Julian Stanbury October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

I've split a 5 gallon batch into 6 x 1g demis. Pitched 6 different yeasts. It's really amazing how different the results were. I aged them, and the results increased in differences. All yeasts were dry. Ale was golden.

Great vid gents. Thank you.

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Tobi Henderson October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

I would love to see 3rd+ generation so4 snuck back in.

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1861313 October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Another great video thank you guys. One of my favourite yeast is 04. In my experiance it is great for bottle conditioning. The beer can change a lot in time. From a little under attenuation and estery beer to a dry and mature one. If only we can have the patience. 😀 Thank you and have a nice day. Cheers!

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Kenneth Wanczyk October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

S04 i avoid at all cost. i could spend the time and brew all grain and it comes out tasting like i did a extract kit.. I'm done using that yeast!

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Joshua Adkisson October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

I want to subscribe… I really do… But if you saw your last 3 videos, would you? God, I know i sound like a troll, but YouTube keeps suggesting your videos, but I watch them, and I'm at a loss… I want to hate them, while also appreciating the content, but I'm just getting goofy, camper, bad-beer… Are y'all at least bjcp certified?

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Jonathan Hillman October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Fermenting an English Ale with 04 too, about 7 days in. Didn’t have my keezer available for temp control, basement temps are 68 to low 70’s. Fermentation temps hit 78 degrees internal at its peak. What was your max temp? Your thoughts on my high temp of 78 for that 04 yeast?

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Rick Ostrander October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Great stuff as always. I just brewed a Nut Brown with WLP005 instead of my standard, inexpensive SafeAle 04. Impatiently waiting for it to carbonate to see how it came out. Keep the yeast experiments coming!

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Breton Léo October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

I made 1 or 2 great beers with Ringwood especially when fermented at room temp but I stopped using it, I think I don't know how to handle the yeast well, like you I experimented very long lag times, I also got one going sour because of the lag time in the passt
Since it's an infamous yeast like you said It could be a yeast freshness issue.

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Jason Chalifour October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Reason why there are so many English ale strains is because English brewers would continually repitch their yeast, and not share their yeast with other brewers.

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James Ang October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Awesome video guys, thank you! My yeast vote is for West Yorkshire!

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Harrie Netel October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

John & Mike — this is a fantastic video!! I always love your SMASH videos and now you've one-upped yourselves and come up with another awesome series (I hope). Can't believe we get to enjoy this great content for free :). In terms of requests for future yeast comparisons, as a 100% dry yeast brewer (long story) I've done my own comparison on a brown ale with Nottingham and Windsor, although the beers were brewed almost a year apart. Would love to see you guys include these in a side-by-side comparison to see what your thoughts on these two are. Either way please keep the awesome videos coming!!

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Patrick L October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Love British Browns; I've been using S04 without any issues, but I think next time I will try instead WLP007. Glad to see a good yeast comparison for browns.

As for Nottingham, I've used it once and it stalled on me. First time that ever occurred. Looking online I had found some others that experienced same. Wound up creating a starter with a different strain and pitching that in and the beer finished. I don't plan on using Nottingham again, but who knows maybe the yeast gods didn't favor me that day.

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Richard Cockerill October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

i do like the colour of the brown,looking good Mate

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Rick Bosley October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

I've been hoping for someone to do yeast experiments for awhile, greatly appreciate it. My yeast collection continues to grow, and videos like this definitely give me extra data points. Cheers guys!

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Todd Fullarton October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Wow, lots of comments. When he said Diacetyl i shouted Ringwood at the screen. How wrong i was :}

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Torbjørn Karlsen October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Horray! Super interesting guys! I can't wait for next episode! Here's a strain for you which I've used a couple of times: Wyeast 1469.

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Vikramjit Singh October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

hey its so nice to see u guys hang out again and do these videos……..in covid days……thanks again and stay safe, John and Mikey……cheers

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Barry Cranston October 22, 2020 - 12:29 am

Put an English IPA into kegs today, used WLP007 and I am very happy with the beer. Nottingham is also very good IMHO. Give WLP013 London a try.

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